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Tilføjet 19/07 20:14 til Udland af Winston Smith
Kilde: englishdefenceleague.org
Der kører i øjeblikket flere sideløbende diskussioner her på 180 Grader om hvorvidt EDL - English Defence League er en helt eller delvist facistoid organisation. EDL har gjort sig bemærket ved flere lejligheder det sidste års tid, hvor de har iværksat kraftige protester mod det de ser som islamisering af Storbrittanien.
Hvorvidt det er korrekt at EDL er 'facistisk' kender jeg ikke organisationen godt nok til at kunne udtale mig 100 % sikkert om. Men når man læser om dem på deres hjemmeside, er det bestemt ikke facisme man først tænker på. Men døm selv. Her er linket til EDL hjemmeside og deres præsentation af dem selv:
BLACK & WHITE UNITE - ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE
All Races and Religions are Welcome in the EDL
We, the English Defence League, are a grass roots social movement who represent every walk of life, every race, every creed and every colour; from the working class to middle England. Our unity and diversity is our strength.
We have members that represent our culturally rich, “patriotic” and nation-loving populace. People who can see the threat of “Islamism” for what it is: a vile and virulent ideology based on 7th century barbarity, intolerance, hatred, subjugation and war.
English Defence League members recognise that this threat is one that must be stopped at all costs. Our Christian, Jewish, Sikh, and Hindu friends all have tales to tell with regard to Islamic Imperialism and “Orthodox Teachings”, in particular the Wahhabi/Salafi doctrine of “killing unbelievers if they refuse to be subdued by Islam”. As the Quran points out in Surah 5 verse 33.......
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter”
Of course this all depends on the context of what “waging war” entails, and of course what constitutes “mischief in the land”. Well, to Islamists, the very notion of not believing in Allah means that you should be punished, as that is considered an act of war, an act of mischief that should be duly punished as Allah ordains clearly here in this verse.
As a movement we don’t hate all Muslims, we respect their right to practice their religion peacefully as long as it does not infringe on our culture, our way of life, our rule of law and our customs. If any non-Muslim was to visit a Muslim country then that person would be expected to respect their rule of law, their culture and their way of life. Who could disagree with that? What we don’t agree with are Muslims trying to import a doctrine of hate, intolerance and murder into this country, and trying to promote it and institutionalise it through unregulated Mosques, funded by Wahhabist petro dollars.
We also don't agree with the stealthy introduction of Sharia into our legal system. This Islamic legal system persecutes women to the mere status of a man's “property”. It does not recognise marital rape, it does not recognise gay rights, it does not recognise many factors contained in the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights. We have had enough, why should anyone tolerate intolerance?
Again we must re-iterate that we do not have any problem with law-abiding, respectful, peaceful Muslims who integrate and contribute positively to society. Muslims who love and respect our country are welcome. The EDL was never set up to discriminate against all Muslims.
We get asked many times by many different organisations and many different people what the reasons are for the English Defence League's existence? What are our goals, and aspirations?
We exist simply to pursue and extinguish an Islamist scourge, a scourge that has been left to fester and multiply like a malignant social cancer, with little intervention from our government who are at best apathetic, and are, at worst, willingly blind to the threat of militant Islam. When Anjem Choudary and his jihadist cohorts shouted abuse at our soldiers returning home from Iraq the united people of Luton took a stand against them. It was from that point onwards that the British people united for one cause: to highlight the danger of appeasing those who wish us harm, those who happily take from our welfare system, yet hate our country, our people and way of life. You may follow these events from this link here......
If it were not for the inaction of the government in dealing properly with this form of Islamic fascism, there would be no need for groups such as The English Defence League, Welsh Defence League, Scottish Defence League and Ulster Defence League to counter this threat on the streets and on-line. Appeasing those who follow an ideology of hatred, murder and intolerance hardly enhances “community cohesion”, it destroys it. Our movement is purely set up to pressure whatever government we have in power to deal with this menace and undo all the damage caused by apathy and appeasement. We oppose the introduction of Sharia Law into our legal system because Sharia Law allows a husband to “beat” his wife! Is that acceptable behaviour in the 21st century we ask????
We oppose the building of any more Mosques until the problem of Islamism is dealt with. Mosques must be regulated properly, imams vetted for their suitability, and mosque attendees monitored for any radical inclination. The change has to start within the Muslim community, but that is proving very hard when Saudi petro dollars are funding a “fundamental” interpretation of Islam within the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. We want our country back!!!
Here is a good example of the reasons why we don’t want any more Mosques built until these issues have been effectively dealt with. This article is written by a former radical Muslim by the name of Ed Husain.....
Notice what he says, and I quote from his article in the Times......
“We found that 97 per cent of imams, or leaders, were from overseas and 92 per cent were educated abroad, mostly in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Almost all mosques are controlled by first-generation immigrant men, leaving most British Muslims - women and young people - out of the management structure.”
If this isn’t enough to wake up weak governance then what is?
The EDL are wrongly painted as racists, Nazis and Muslim-haters. This simply isn’t true. We do know that some groups have tried to cause trouble, and that some “agent provocateurs” have instigated trouble, groups such as Combat 18, Blood And Honour, Antifa, UAF, their Communist sympathisers and anarchists. As a movement we have been attacked by the far left and the far right, we have had to endure a state sponsored smear campaign used against us from the onset by the state controlled political elite media machine. Apparently we are Nazis because we love our country, because we have the backbone to stand firm in the face of Islamic adversity rather than ignore it, hoping it will go away.
We set out our stall very early on, we are not racist, we don’t like Nazis, we don’t want Nazis joining our demos. We embrace patriotism as something that transcends race, religion, creed and colour. A love for our country is not a crime, a love for freedom is not a crime, but a need for security and the removal of those who pose a threat is just common sense....... The EDL are a multi-ethnic, multi-religious movement and we are proud of that. We laugh at all those who attack us for being “race traitors”, we mock those who call us “Nazis and racists” we are the EDL, we are neither of those things, we never will be. In fact our main speaker at demonstrations, Guramit Singh is a Sikh of Indian origin. The far left dismissed him as an "uncle Tom", a phrase which I would find quite offensive. This is a tone they have adopted when referring to any of our members who are not "white" in order for them to continue with their campaign against us.
People also ask us if we will ever become a political party and the answer to that is that we don’t seek to become a political party, but we do support political parties who will deal with the threat of Islamism. Our aim and focus is to put pressure on whatever government is in power to deal effectively with this cancer. For far too long this government has ignored its people, now its people demand to be heard in this bastion of democracy. Freedom of speech shall prevail. We will be supporting Geert Wilders on his visit to our country to show his film Fitna after our government turned him away on the first attempt. Our government holds its people in contempt and we will not tolerate this any longer. Good governance is achieved by listening to the people and working for the people.
It is during these tenuous times where we look to our International brothers and sisters for help and support. We see EDL members imprisoned for very “minor” offences, then thrown in jail only to be beaten by known Islamic terrorists gangs. It is as if the government want to intimidate us into silence. But we will not be intimidated, we will never surrender.
We hear of people of all colours getting beaten up by Muslim gangs on the streets just because they are non-Muslim and our government turn a blind eye to this!!! We will open their eyes, we will make them listen, we won't accept anything less than concrete action that yields very visible results. They have got us into this mess so it is down to them to clean it up.
Long live the free
KILDE: English Defence League - About
17 Kommentarer
Skrevet af http://www.180grader.dk/Krimi/debunked-people-are-walking-past-covered-in-blood
Skrevet af Den er jeg med på. Læste godt det meste af dit indlæg. Det var det der fik mig til at læse deres hjemmeside. Jeg fandt den meget interessant og bed mærke i mange ting. Blandt andet denne del af ovenstånde:
"The EDL are wrongly painted as racists, Nazis and Muslim-haters. This simply isn’t true. We do know that some groups have tried to cause trouble, and that some “agent provocateurs” have instigated trouble, groups such as Combat 18, Blood And Honour, Antifa, UAF, their Communist sympathisers and anarchists. As a movement we have been attacked by the far left and the far right, we have had to endure a state sponsored smear campaign used against us from the onset by the state controlled political elite media machine."
Den er jeg også med på. Det var ikke ment som et forsøg på at imødegå dine citater fra det pågældende senior member. Blot en konstatering af, at de også får besøg af den slags uønskede elementer. I øvrigt er teksten ovenfor jo formentlig skrevet for længe siden.
Jeg synes faktisk den indeholder rigtig mange gode ting. Læg mærke til at de også kommer ind på Onkel Tom associationstricket:
"...The far left dismissed him as an "uncle Tom", a phrase which I would find quite offensive. This is a tone they have adopted when referring to any of our members who are not "white" in order for them to continue with their campaign against us..."
Det benyttede Basry Q sig også af overfor Naser Khader forleden:
"...Det siger sig selv, at jeg forstår jeres frustrationer over, at jeg ikke opfører mig som en Onkel Tom lige som Naser Khader..."
Men lad nu det ligge. Jeg finder i hvert fald ikke belæg, endnu, for at kalde EDL en facistoid organisation. Jeg er snarere på vej i den modsatte retning.
Jeg har ikke researchet nok til at kalde dem fascister, men jeg synes at jeg har læst nok til at overbevise mig selv om at de ikke er en brugbar platform.
Hvis de ikke kan holde styr på egne medlemmer, aktivt skaber negativ presse og ender med at blande Islam-modstand ind i en racistisk pærevælling af politivold og vandalisme, så fuck den platform, og håb på at englænderne finder en anden.
...og ja; Onkel Tom-kortet er nogenlunde lige så racistisk et kort, som der spilles kan. I samme kategori finder vi iøvrigt udtrykket kokosnød (mørk udenpå, hvid indeni), som Khader også har fået.
Skrevet af Hvis de ikke kan holde styr på egne medlemmer, aktivt skaber negativ presse og ender med at blande Islam-modstand ind i en racistisk pærevælling af politivold og vandalisme, så fuck den platform, og håb på at englænderne finder en anden.Dette kan jeg helt tilslutte mig. Vældig godt formuleret. Jeg er en af de skyldige, der var lidt hurtigt ude med at stemple EDL som 'neo-fascistisk' uden i og for sig at have andet end grimme billeder på nethinden og god intuition som 'dokumentation'.
Der er intet i deres charter, der er diskvalificerende, tværtimod, men det nytter naturligvis ikke noget, at deres fine ord følges op med mere end tvivlsomme gerninger af folk, der er affilieret med organisationen.
Jeg har ingen anelse om, hvorvidt det her bare er en klassiker, hvor et velmenende initiativ overtages indefra af rabiate kræfter eller ej. Det er så iøvrigt underordnet, de er helt oplagt ikke istand til repræsentere det segment, de udadtil henvender sig til.
Jeg har givet udtryk for det før: Men det er en meget, meget svær balancegang at være kritisk over for islam, fordi man meget let ender i en 'swingerklub' med folk, som man bestemt ikke har lyst til at 'hygge' sig med.
Derfor er diskussionen om, hvad EDL egentlig er, mere væsentlig end som så ...
Mht EDL er jeg ikke klar til at afskrive dem. De har kun eksisteret i et enkelt år og jeg vil godt lige se dem finde deres ben. Med al den sunde fornuft der kommer til udtryk i deres præsentation, vil jeg også gerne se hvordan de tackler de uheldige elementer som enhver organisation af denne type uundgåeligt vil blive infiltereret af i starten.
Folk som stiller sig op mod det multikulturelle utopia løber en kæmperisiko på mange punkter. Udover den almindelige offentlige udskamning skal de frygte for muslimers 'vrede' og vold plus, som sagt, risikoen for at tåbelige nazister og andre uheldige elementer fejlagtigt ryger med i folden til at starte med.
Jeg har været inde på Gates of Vienna - den blog som Henrik benyttede sig af til sit indlæg - og søge lidt rundt. Jeg har tidligere læst den fra tid til anden og fundet mange spændende indlæg (ikke facistoide modsat hvad Pilegårds påstår). Og det må jeg sige at jeg stadig gør. Bland andet denne artikel der behandler et - for denne sag - aktuelt dilemma. For god ordens skyld: Jeg er ikke tilhænger af hverken Hells Angels eller vold, men det gør ikke artiklen dårlig: Gates of Vienna
WJ: Nej, det var ej. Brug google før du hænger folk ud.
Winston: Jeg er ikke tilhænger af hverken Hells Angels eller vold...
WJ: Hells Angels er effektivt set på indvandrerbandernes side, uanset hvilket skuespil de opfører for galleriet:
Hvis Hells Angels ønskede at bekæmpe indvandrerbanderne så...
Lad vær med at belære mig William. Så slutter diskussionen øjeblikkeligt. Jeg sagde jo at du citat: Ikke skulle hænge mig op det. Jeg citerede frit efter hukommelsen. Det er selvfølgelig farligt, men hvis du skal til at kaste med sten på den slags i en hurtig meningsudveksling så kan vi ikke bestille andet. Du er heller ikke selv fejlfri.
WJ: Hells Angels er effektivt set på indvandrerbandernes side, uanset hvilket skuespil de opfører for galleriet
Den påstand må du så selv stå på mål for. Det har intet med min pointe at gøre.
"There will always be those among us who prefer purity of doctrine to anything else. In addition, we’re all understandably afraid of having PC anathema pronounced on us. The dread of being labeled a “racist” induces a primal urge to put leagues between ourselves and any group that is even slightly questionable."
Gates of Vienna
Når du beskylder folk for racisme uden at have noget at have det i, så belærer jeg dig. Hver gang.
Hvorfor skulle jeg give dig en anden behandling end den du og jeg ville give enhver anden debattør.
Jeg synes det begynder at blive morsomt, at du ikke forholder dig til mine pointer i stedet for at finde små halmstrå der vedrører min - indrømmet - uperfekte person.
Prøv at forestille dig at jeg havde skrevet; Der var en DF'er der fyrede en perker-bemærkning af. Tror endda at det var Pia Kjærsgaard, men det må du ikke hænge mig op på.
Havde du ladet den glide ubemærket hen?
Men jeg synes vi skal vende tilbage til det vigtige. Nemlig hvorvidt Gates of Vienna har en vigtig pointe i artiklen eller ej.
Skrevet af Hvad skal sådan en lortebemærkning fra din side til for?
Ingen herinde synes at det er OK at gå rundt og chikanere muslimer.
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